Natural Ways to Manage Chronic Pain

July 29, 2017

Natural Ways to Manage Chronic Pain

Chronic pain affects more Americans than diabetes, heart disease and cancer combined. With prescription pill and opioid addictions a growing national concern we’re talking about natural ways to manage your pain. A crucial listen for anyone suffering.

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CASSIE: Welcome to Dishing Up Nutrition. If you are experiencing chronic pain, you are not alone, the statistics say over 100 million Americans suffer from chronic pain! If you are one of the 100 million in chronic pain, I invite you to stay tuned as we are going to discuss natural ways to manage chronic pain. It’s not going to be just me here talking. We have a cohost who is going to introduce herself in a minute and we also have our special guest Greg Peterson, co-owner of Nutri Dyn, an education and supplement company located right here in Minnesota! I am Cassie Weness, Registered Dietician and co-host of today’s Dishing Up Nutrition.

LEA: Just think Cassie, 100 million people in America suffer from chronic pain. In fact, chronic pain affects more Americans than diabetes, heart disease and cancer combined. That’s crazy. For this reason, over 2 million Americans are either addicted to or abusing an opioid prescription pain medication in hopes of relieving their pain. I am Lea Wetzel, a Certified Nutrition Specialist and a Licensed Nutritionist. Daily we read about how opioid addiction has reached epidemic proportions. Because opioid addiction is a national concern, today we want to bring you some natural ways to manage your chronic pain.

CASSIE: Today’s show is brought to you by Nutritional Weight & Wellness, a company providing life-changing nutrition education and nutrition counseling. For all of our podcast listeners, we thank you for listening. If you find our Dishing Up Nutrition shows worthy of you taking the time to listen, please write a review on iTunes, if you write a good review that allows more people to be able to find us. I think, now more than ever, people are looking for more natural ways to manage their pain and inflammation, so we want to spread the word about our show and have the show easy to find. We do appreciate you taking the time and effort to write a review and we thank you! 

LEA: Again,we are so pleased to have Greg Peterson joining us on the show today. Greg is a wealth of knowledge and I always learn something when you’re on the show so it’s great to have you. Greg is again the co-owner of Nutri Dyn, a local company that not only provides professional quality nutritional supplements, but also conducts leading-edge nutrition educational seminars to healthcare practitioners in the Midwest. Welcome, Greg!

GREG: Good morning! So fun to be here too on a beautiful Saturday morning.Beautiful women, what more could a guy ask for.

CASSIE: Great voice for radio and we love your compliments, keep em’ coming.

LEA: So, Greg. How long have you actually been in the healthcare business?

GREG: Well we started the business in 1973 in the basement of my parents’ home, much to my parents chagrin. My mom worked as a full time indentured servant basically for her two sons, my brother Dave and I, he’s the other owner. It provided us what we needed to get the company going. It started there and we eventually moved on to a larger facility and then expanded from there. That was our humble beginnings and in the morning I’d go out and make calls on practitioners and then in the evening I’d package up orders and send them out. And my mom answered the phones more than my brother did, but he was there somewhere.

CASSIE: Do you have any seminars coming up? It’s been a while since I’ve been to one you guys have put on. One time it was right in my backyard in Otsego.

LEA: There’s a big one in October right?

GREG: Right, end of October, 27-29 it’s our Great Lakes Conference [available for Health Practitioners only].

LEA: I went last year. I was very pregnant, it was two days before I gave birth. It was great. You have a good lineup.

GREG: Yes, a really good lineup. We have Dr. Jeffrey Bland who is considered to be the father of functional medicine. He’s one that really put that together and worked with Linus Pauling very closely when Linus Pauling was with us. For people who don’t know who Linus Pauling was, he was a double Nobel Prize winner in nutrition, chemistry and peace. Just an iconic individual and he mentored Jeff Bland and Jeff of course is in his 70’s and I kind of view him as the current Linus Pauling.

LEA: You wouldn’t guess by looking at him he’s youthful.

GREG: He’ll do a great job and then we have Dr. Rob Silverman who is the 2015 sports chiropractor of the year. Charles Poliquin who is a world renowned coach and strength trainer. He’s trained over 800 Olympic athletes. The list goes on and on of just really excellent speakers we have coming up in October.

LEA: So if somebody was interested in learning more they would be directed to your website. Is there information on there?

GREG: Yes, they could go to our website. There’s information there but it’s going to be a sellout. It’s October 27-29 and it’s at the J.W. Marriott at the Mall of America.

CASSIE: I know many of you have heard Greg before on Dishing Up Nutrition, he’s a wealth of information so we are going to let him talk quite a bit today.  Just to let you know the layout for the next hour, Lea and I want to talk about foods that can lead to pain and inflammation and foods that reduce pain and inflammation because that’s our wheelhouse as nutritionists and dieticians and then for at least the last half of the show, we’ll turn the mic over to Greg to talk about key supplements that you can add onto that healthy diet that are very helpful in reducing pain and inflammation.

LEA: Many of you have heard my story about pain and inflammation; however, for those of you who have not, I want to repeat it because it’s helpful for this topic. It really is a testament to how food can either cause inflammation or reduce inflammation which is what we’re talking about today. When I came to work at Nutritional Weight & Wellness 10 years ago as a graphic designer, I was in a lot of inflammation going on. I had really severe chronic asthma and I’d have these aches and pains, muscle pains off and on. They had improved a little bit because I had changed my diet a lot before I started here, but still that was still lingering. I was in my mid-20’s at that point. I was still on at that point, steroids and inhalers to manage my chronic asthma because I really wasn’t breathing well. It was painful and scary trying to get to the root of that. I had already given up most of my staple foods that I considered problematic, juice, a lot of sugar, and chips, and that helped me lose 50 pounds, which was great, but I still had asthma.

CASSIE:  If I remember your story right, in order to find out how to beat your asthma, you sat down with Dar, the owner of Nutritional Weight & Wellness for sort of an official nutritional consultation. I tell you, when you sit down with Dar you’ve got to be pretty darn serious because you know she’s probably going to take away some things or tell you some things you probably don’t want to hear. But you were ready to take this head on and get rid of the asthma. In your consultation, Dar said to you, “I want you to follow this anti-inflammatory eating plan.”

LEA: That’s right. It was kind of a little bit shocking to me because I kind of thought I was already there, but she said “Yes. I not only recommend you shut down the inflammation.” But she really wanted to make a plan for me to get off of my steroids and inhalers, but it also freed me of all inflammation like the muscle pains that I was having. Which really wasn’t gone up until then.

CASSIE: So an anti-inflammation plan, because you had inflammation in your lungs, those bronchial tubes is going to be a similar eating plan to what we’re going to talk about today, because people with chronic pain also have inflammation in their muscles and in their joints. I’m getting the signal from you.

LEA: Yes, and I’ll get into that in just a minute after break. You’re listening to Dishing Up Nutrition. Cassie and I are discussing natural ways to manage chronic pain with Greg Peterson, co-owner of Nutri Dyn, a Minnesota based company that provides nutritional education and supplements to healthcare providers.

Questions about chronic pain today? Call 651.641.1071.

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CASSIE: Welcome back to Dishing Up Nutrition. While preparing for this show, I ran across an interesting book called, The Fibro Fix by Dr. David Brady who is actively involved with the American College of Nutrition. In this book The Fibro Fix focuses on how to start reversing your chronic pain and fatigue from Fibromyalgia, thus the name Fibro Fix. To give you a simple overview, this book recommends following a gluten free diet and eliminate all trans-fats. That’s important but it means reading every label and staying away from those partially hydrogenated oils like you’d find in margarine and some of the granola bars, peanut butters. So again, gluten free, no trans fats and Dr. Brady says this will really help, possibly even get rid of the fibromyalgia pain. I did think it was a good book, it was a good read, but I still think that most people need some help, a support person to help them implement the changes which is where we at Nutritional Weight & Wellness can help. If you are struggling with Fibromyalgia pain, give our office a call to learn more about what an appointment entails, or maybe you just want to set up an appointment, the girls are at the office this morning. The number is 651.699.3438.

LEA: Great. So kind of getting back to our discussion at hand. I was just about to get into the nitty gritty, of what Dar had outlined for me. The anti-inflammatory plan for my asthma. So, really it had to be simple, as to not overwhelm me, but really the focus was about eat real food.Because of the seriousness of my asthma at that time, she recommended that I eat grass-fed meat or wild caught salmon, organic vegetables, and two tablespoons of beneficial healthy fat.

CASSIE: That’s a lot for some people. Do you remember thinking “Two tablespoons?”

LEA: I do remember thinking that I didn’t shy away from fats, but I didn’t go out of my way to eat fats before I worked at Nutritional Weight & Wellness, as I do now. I really learned the importance of them. Examples of those fats she recommended are olive oil, coconut oil, butter, nut butters, olives and avocados at every meal and snack. She said that I needed more fat for my lung tissue which was really important. Now here was the challenging part – no bread, no gluten grains, no dairy, no sugar, no artificial sweeteners, no Equal or sucralose, no MSG, no dyes, such as red dye #40.

CASSIE: Ok, that can be really hard. Like you said you were already on board with some of this, but if you’re eating the Standard American Diet and now all of a sudden you can’t have artificial sweeteners and red dye #40, it’s going to take out a lot of your typical foods if you start reading labels.

LEA: Right, and that’s why she kept it really simple, to say just eat real foods because real foods naturally don’t contain those sort of things.

CASSIE: So you think of the perimeter of the grocery store, where you find the meats, the fruits and vegetables and of course your healthy fats. The butters, the nuts, the avocados. So you implemented that anti-inflammatory eating plan and so how long has it been since you’ve been asthma free?

LEA: I would say that implementing the diet I was able to wean off my steroids and inhalers relatively quickly, I would say within the first month of cutting out gluten and dairy. And I have been symptom free since then, so we’re looking at nine, ten years of no asthma.

GREG: Wow, what a gift.

LEA: Really, really. Yup.

CASSIE: So again, we’re talking about Lea’s asthma, but it’s an anti-inflammatory eating plan that took care of that asthma for her. Same thing if you’re experiencing a lot of muscle pain, knee pain, join pain. As nutritionists, Lea and I know that the first step if you’re trying to handle chronic pain and inflammation is to determine what foods may be causing the pain and inflammation. The plan that worked for Lea, the general plan might work for others, but there are always those little specific pieces that are different from one person to the next. It’s different for each person, sit does start with the food you’re choosing to put in your mouth day in and day out. But one food that might be healthy for Leak, might not be healthy for the next person. I really just want to encourage you to consider making an appointment with one of our Nutritional Weight & Wellness nutritionists or dieticians if you’re experiencing a lot of chronic pain, because it takes some detective work to come up with the right eating plan to help reduce your inflammation and heal the tissues throughout your body.

LEA: Exactly, that is a really great suggestion. Now we’re going to spend the last half of the show today talking about nutritional supplements that will help you manage chronic pain. If you have questions for Greg today, call us in studio at 651.641.1071. Let me repeat that, because I know it can be hard to catch that number, 651.641.1071.

CASSIE: I’m thinking, there are so many great products Greg, especially when you start thinking about the Metagenics product that are out there, but the two that come to the top of my mind are Kaprex and Kaprex AI. So I have a few questions for you on those, but I want to remind our listeners that we are now transcribing our shows.

LEA: I love that, that’s amazing. I’d say something and people would think “What did they say? How did they spell that?” And now it’ll be all on the website.

CASSIE: Sometimes I do that! If I’m listening to a show I wonder “What did they just say?” And sometimes you’re in and out of the room so now we will have the entire script of our show, each and every week up on the website, so if you do miss the name of a supplement or you aren’t sure how to spell it, you can look it up on our website weightandwellness.com and then the show will be transcribed by Monday evening or Tuesday morning at the latest. So, Greg, from our experience, Lea and I at Nutritional Weight & Wellness, a lot of people have great relief with the Kaprex. Can you tell us why and maybe talk too about is it safe? Because I know with ibuprofen that can be hard on your liver if you’re taking it every day. So address that point too.

GREG: Yeah and that is one of the concerns about pain medication is, sure it works, but at what cost to you? Yes, you can definitely take it every day, not a problem there. It works really, a combination of olive oil extract, rosemary and also there’s this proprietary hops extract. And they work synergistically to reduce inflammation and reestablish a better immune response. That’s kind of it in a nutshell.

LEA: Like you were describing to us earlier today, you said that each of these ingredients have anti-inflammatory properties but then combining the three together that they work really well together and create even more of an impact.

GREG: Exactly, it’s called proteomic research and Metagenics has one of the few labs in the country and what you find is that there are over 300 anti-inflammatory herbs and proteins. You can’t give all 300 to a person or else you have a bigger list than usual of food supplements that you’re taking. So what this process does is that it looks at the synergy of the different nutrients. What are a good team player, what are things that when one and one doesn’t make just two, but one and one makes maybe six. That kind of thing too. So this proteomic research looks at stimulating the body’s immune system to produce inflammation through the white blood cells, then they’ll give these different ingredients to them singularly or in combination, and you can imagine how many combinations there are when you have 300 possibilities. It’s a tedious task. Then they find which ones work the best together to modulate that inflammatory process.

LEA: To bring down the inflammation.

GREG: You’d be surprised, sometimes you look at Kaprex and it isn’t look all that unusual, it’s olive oil extract, it’s rosemary, it’s this proprietary hops concentration and you think “Oh, those are interesting.” But they work so much better in combination. As an example of that, they did research of the Kaprex compared to Celebrex, the real popular medication for pain, and they found that it was equally as effective as Celebrex was, with absolutely no downside to it.

CASSIE: Not hard on your liver. I have a quick little success story on it, but I’ll save that for the other side of break.

GREG: With nutrition compared to pain medication is that the body recognizes the nutrition, it knows how to use it. It can selectively inhibit this inducible inflammation we get from stress, infection and injury and not mess with these other factors, these different prostaglandins that maintain cell membrane health. Whereas the drugs blocks it all, it’s like a bully in a schoolyard. You can’t control it, and it’s also blocking the good prostaglandins that maintain cell membrane health.

LEA: Right, that’s excellent. Well it’s break time again guys. You are listening to Dishing Up Nutrition brought to you by Nutritional Weight & Wellness. I want to let you know what we have in store for next week’s show. Kara and Carolyn will be discussing the hormonal problems of Fibrocystic Breast Disease, Endometriosis, and Fibroid Tumors. They will be looking at the nutritional connection to all of these estrogen dominant health conditions. Should be an interesting show. These are conditions we see all the time in the office. And I don’t think we’ve had this show title before. Research from the USCLA Health reports, “some estimates state that up to 30% to 77% of women will develop fibroids sometime during their childbearing years.” With those statistics, I think all of our listeners should tune it. It should be an important show to listen to and share with friends as well.

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CASSIE: Next Saturday, we’ll be talking a lot about women’s hormones. If you heard us on the previous side of break, you heard us talking about next week’s Dishing Up Nutrition show will be discussing Fibrocystic Breast Disease, Endometriosis and Fibroid Tumors, then after the show, Dar, JoAnne and Kris will be teaching the Menopause Survival Seminar at our Maple Grove location, from 10:30 to 3:30. If you are struggling with sleep problems, hot flashes, mood swings, fatigue or osteoporosis, I invite you to spend the day with Dar, JoAnne and Kris to learn real life, natural solutions. Bring your questions and bring your sister or a friend and make a day of it. You will leave equipped with life-changing solutions. To learn more, call 651.699.3438. Did I mention we provide an organic balanced lunch and snacks too?! It’s fun, the day goes fast, there’s some laughter in there and it’s chockfull of good information and good food.

LEA: So before break we were talking a little bit about Kaprex and the benefits of it opposed to some anti-inflammatory medications. So, when trying Kaprex what are some recommendations? Especially for somebody who is on Celebrex and has a lot of chronic pain. How would they try Kaprex and what’s the best method of us?

GREG: What they found when they did the research at the functional medicine research center out in Seattle area, was that using a loading dose was the most effective. The loading dose was in the range of six per day, so if you do two tablets, three times a day would be a good loading dose and you do that for a period of time until you start to see some response to it. That might be a few days, that might be a couple of weeks where the case is, where again, any kind of food, has to get into the system. The body works it through its normal channels and so forth to be effective of modulation of inflammation. It’s not like a drug, I always say a drug is like a bully in a school yard. It just starts pushing people around, getting its way, but of course there are consequences.

LEA: Yes. It could be long term use could result in liver damage or kidney failure.

GREG: All kinds of problems. Whereas you don’t get that with the natural nutritional products.

CASSIE: And to that point, the short success story I was going to share kind of addresses both those things you're talking about. I think this was two years ago now when my aunt long story short, they make their own homemade deer sausage, my aunts and uncles back home, every fall after deer hunting season. And they were cleaning up and my petite little aunt, she’s a cute little thing, she went to life this meat grinder out of the way and it was much too heavy for her. I forget the full diagnosis but part of it was that they ended up in the ER and she had fractured a vertebrae, she might have had a bulging disc too. A lot, a lot of pain. And they had scheduled her for cementing it, but in the meantime had sent her home for a few days. And they sent her home with Oxycodone and my aunt hates prescription medication but she was in such pain that she cut one in half and tried it. And talking about side effects she had such an upset stomach and got really dizzy to the point of not being able to stand and that’s when she called me and asked what I would recommend. I recommended the Kaprex and it wasn’t more than a few days, for some people it can take hold in a few days, she said it took the pain away. Not only that, but she hadn’t told me that her one knee had been giving her a lot of pain for the last month and had started to swell up. Her jeans were fitting really tight because her knee had swelled. She said that went away too! She got the double bonus with that product and it really worked fast for her.

LEA: That’s really great. So, Greg, there are two different Kaprex on the market. There’s the regular Kaprex and then Kaprex AI. What is the difference between the two?

GREG: The big difference is that the AI stands for autoimmune so when you’re dealing with autoimmune conditions that’s when you want to use the Kaprex AI and again that has the proprietary hops, the rosemary and the olive oil extract to modulate inflammation but it has additional researched nutrients and again that was studied again at the function medicine research center in Seattle at that proteomic lab that looked at different nutrients that are very compatible and synergistic with each other and work better as a team. So they had done the proteomic research on them as well and added a couple additional nutrients to that and what they find is that it balances the immune system. I think you have a great comment before Cassie, it recalibrates the immune system. Because as an auto-immunity you have an overly zealous immune system that starts to attack itself and it gets confused because it gets stimulated by so many things, toxins and stress factors and so forth in the environment. So you need some different kinds of lifestyle factors, diet and specific supplementation to bring back that balance so that the immune system is responding correctly to infection and so forth, but not overly expressing itself and attacking joints and other aspects.

LEA: Right. Like rheumatoid arthritis would maybe be a good use for that.

CASSIE: That’s wonderful and I don’t think a lot of people realize there’s also the Kaprex AI out there for the auto immune inflammation. So that’s really neat. I just want to point out, you’ve said it a couple times Greg, one of the reason why I love Metagenics is that we see the results in clinical practice but they do the research and as clinicians that gives us that much more confidence in recommending these products.

LEA: And like you had shared with us earlier. As far as human trials go and the top lead in pub research, they are number one for supplement companies.

GREG: Yes, they are truly the science company. There differentiation between the Kaprex and the Kaprex AI shows their focus on detail. That was an example so people can kind of understand how to use the different Kaprex and Kaprex AI. When you look at Kaprex it’s more things like structural types of things, neurologic types of problems, not of an auto immune origin. So if it’s auto immune like RA, rheumatoid arthritis, MS, Lupus, Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, hashimoto's thyroiditis, those are autoimmune type problems that have inflammation as a stimulation of the problem.

LEA: Yes, that’s part of the autoimmune process.

GREG: Those need to be addressed and that would be the Kaprex AI.

CASSIE: Alright, we are going to have to seriously go to another break.

LEA: I know! After that we’ll talk about another really important supplement that I really like a lot. You are listening to Dishing Up Nutrition. We often ask clients why they did the Nutrition 4 Weight Loss Program. Here is an answer we would like to share: “After listening to the radio program, I realized that Nutritional Weight and Wellness has a philosophy that aligns with mine…REAL FOOD. I have done programs where you are required to buy their food and eat their bars. That fake food cannot be good for you or your health. That is why I chose Nutrition 4 Weight Loss.” If you have questions about Nutrition 4 Weight Loss, call 651.699.3438 or go online to our website: weightandwellness.com. We’ll answer your questions you have that you feel comfortable sharing.

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CASSIE: Welcome back everyone, if you’re just joining us you’re listening to Dishing Up Nutrition. Many of you know I have two young children with Celiac disease along with a few other food allergies and sensitivities so I am always looking for healthy treat ideas that are safe and keep those foods out, but I want them to be healthy treat ideas too. But my kids are not as good of eaters as yours, I know Oliver loves sardines and doesn’t he like the cod liver oil too?

LEA: Yeah, but he would still love to have the treat. He’s older now, he sees the treats the other kids get.

CASSIE: Yes, once they start school it’s kind of tough, downhill. I have a couple treat ideas I’d like to share. The first one, presentation goes a long way, whether it’s us adults or the kids. My kids like it when I pull out these practically antique dessert dishes that my husband inherited. They’re pretty and the kids love it when I get those out and then I’ll layer them with berries. This time of year, berries are in season. Start with blueberries, then a layer of strawberries, then blueberries again, and lastly a layer of raspberries. I then top them off with real whipped cream… delicious and healthy real whipped cream. It is so pretty and it tastes great. And then one other idea great for this time of year in the heat of summer, I also make my own popsicles using Dynamic Kids Drink, Fruit Punch. For those of you who don’t know Fruits and Greens they are this powdered drink chockfull of antioxidants and wonderful healthy stuff and there are so many different flavors. But they have one that’s geared towards the kids, I drink it all the time, it’s good for adults too, it’s delicious.

So you can mix that up, according to the container directions, it’s just mixing it up with a certain amount of water and then pouring it into your Popsicle molds.

LEA: We got some really fun dinosaur shaped Popsicle molds, so Oliver loves the Dynamic Kids Drink, Fruit Punch, water and fresh lemon. He loves it.

CASSIE: He’s probably in awe that mom says “Anytime, Oliver you want a Popsicle, go ahead, anytime.” So they are delicious and sugar-free for these hot summer days, a refreshing treat to offer the kids. And if you want to pick up the Dynamic Kids Drink, Fruit Punch we stock it at all of our seven Nutritional Weight & Wellness locations. Or really, better yet, if you’re close by your computer, click on products, shipping is free, so it’s going to be the same price for you if you order it on our website or walk in our store.

LEA: Great! So before we run out of time today, this show is flying by. We want to talk about another supplement that our clients love and that’s OsteoVantiv, because it specifically helps with joint pain. Currently there are about 700,000 knee replacements each year. Isn’t that crazy.

CASSIE: That’s a lot! That’s a lot of surgeries. When you have to replace knees that typically means that that bone is rubbing on bone which can be extremely painful and that’s where Osteovantiv really shines. When you have that bone rubbing on bone it can address that type of sharp joint pain and Greg you’re going to be the best to explain why Osteovantiv works for these types of situations.

GREG: Well the OsteoVantiv is a very unique ingredient, undenatured type II Collagen and I really stress undenatured. You can pick up a lot of times in the health food stores and these co-ops these collagen proteins and that does not have the key molecular structure, this triple helix structure that’s needed to maintain the bone structure. They find that there’s a place in the gut, they call the peyer's patches that train the immune system to not over respond to things that they shouldn’t. Like we talked about before the confused immune systems, so it’s reeducating it, recalibrating it. So it recognizes self and doesn’t bother or attack that.

LEA: It stops the degeneration of the joints.

GREG: Because what will happen through the years is that the problem we have is these joint surfaces that get roughed up a little bit and traumatized and it confuses the immune system. It sees that as a problem and it attacks that so it’s taking a bad situation and making it worse. Whereas if you reeducate with this undenatured type II Collagen now the immune system recognizes self and leaves it alone.

CASSIE: So when you say undenatured I think of it as close to natural as possible. It’s undenatured, versus, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m thinking that a lot of the supplements out there are probably offering is a denatured source of collagen which means that it’s either been processed with high heat or chemicals and now it’s changed and now it’s more of a foreign substance and the body is like “What the heck is this? I think I’ll attack it.” Is that right?

GREG: Totally different molecular structure, inactivated …

CASSIE: Doesn’t do the body any good.

GREG: Exactly.

CASSIE: So look for undenatured.

LEA: And so for uses with the Osteovantiv, what sort of things would you suggest to try, how would they go about trying that product?

GREG: Well the research on this undenatured collagen was done on just two tablets per day, but again like we’re talking about today, if you want to accelerate the response maybe for the first week or two you might want to go to four a day, two twice a day. Then as you start to see some effects then you can always back it down to once or twice a day. But what the research had shown is that you’ll generally see some results within a 30 day period, but the best overall effects is going to be over a period of 120 days. So if you’re going to commit to four months.

LEA: I have had a lot of clients’ notice they have a lot less joint pain utilizing the Osteovantiv.

CASSIE: Yeah, it really is a great product, but that’s great to know that you’ve got to give this one a little time to do its work, to really shine.

LEA: Again, we have to be eating a healthy real food diet, of proteins, healthy fats and real vegetable carbohydrates to make sure the body responds well to that. That’s important. Kind of my go to similar to that, that keeps my body health is bone broth. I’ve talked about the bone broth on the show many times, but bone broth has a lot of the undenatured collagen in it naturally as well and so people using the bone broth can really keep their joints healthy. I’m doing it preventatively to make sure I keep my body healthy so I can keep doing my kettlebells, my rock climbing like you Greg, you’re still really active.

CASSIE: Am I right in thinking that this undenatured collagen in Osteovantiv is from chicken breast cartilage? So when she’s making her bone broth from chicken bones, or if you throw in the chicken feet, you get a lot. I remember the first time I heard my neighbor down the street was getting chicken feet from her local farmer, I thought “What are you doing?”

LEA: Yeah, you get a lot of good from that.

CASSIE: And then you sip on that throughout the day, kind of like tea, right?

LEA: Yeah I’ll have it morning tea and midafternoon bone broth.

CASSIE: If anyone listening wants to know how to make bone broth we have a great instructional video on our website, just go to weightandwellness.com to find that instructional video and it’s really darn easy.

LEA: Right.

CASSIE: So, let’s see, we talked about how many Osteovantiv, we talked about what makes it work so well and I know we’re going to run out of time but there was one other great product maybe we could give a mention to? Inflavonoid Intensive Care, Greg we have about a minute.

GREG: In a nutshell it is curcumin, which is really effective as a natural anti-inflammatory and it’s in the Inflavonoid Intensive Care. The problem with curcumin is that it’s very poorly absorbed when you take it orally. We have a curcumin that is 40x better when taken than just regular curcumin.

CASSIE: And that’s the Inflavonoid Intensive Care. Alright guys. Real food can be life changing, throw a couple supplements in there like Greg was talking about and even better. Thank you for listening and have a wonderful, healthy Saturday. 

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